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15 comments:
All this needed was the opening phrase of "Read my lips".
So, in 4 years, no war in Iraq, universal health care, a balanced budget, less dependence on foreign oil and Iran subdued? That's a heady agenda for 4 years.
Did you notice though that it says nothing about the rotten state of our economy and how to fix it? I would think that that issue should be the number 2 issue, right behind bringing the troops home from Bush's war.
Art, Art, Art.
My problem with McCain is not that he isn't a conservative; it's that he has a history of not fighting for conservatism.
Put him in a room with liberals and he folds like a cheap umbrella.
Ms. Malkin makes the case far better than I do. Have a read:
http://tinyurl.com/3gar4c
JustifiedRight.com said...
Art, Art, Art.
My problem with McCain is not that he isn't a conservative; it's that he has a history of not fighting for conservatism.
Put him in a room with liberals and he folds like a cheap umbrella.
Ms. Malkin makes the case far better than I do. Have a read:
http://tinyurl.com/3gar4c
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
OK. You and Michele convinced me. Let's elect Obama.
NOT
I reject Michele's thesis that McCain's reaching across the isle never results in pullling to the right.
Case in point:
The "Gang of 14" which so many closed minded conservatives hold against McCain, resulted in Justices Roberts and Alito taking their seats on the bench.
That was getting something very good done.
The problem with closed minded conservatives is that they would rather be right and lose, that make the progress that they can make.
OK then, sign you up for the Obama newsletter?
Personally, I like Obama a lot. He has a clear vision. He's got my vote this time out.
He is tall.
Art,
You're crediting McCain for Alito?
Sorry pal, I'll take credit for Alito. Had folks like me not spoken up you'd be bringing your legal cases before Harriet Miers.
Gang of 14 - We had the chance to use the nuclear option and get rid of filibusters - the most childish and embarrassing part of the "world's most deliberative body."
So McCain struck a deal with the Libs (again). And a year and a half later when 2 of 7 Republicans lost their seat, the remainder of the "Gang" stuck it up McCain's nose when the Dems announced no more judges for the rest of Bush's term - period.
That's what I fear - he trusts them - they screw us.
Obviously I'm not saying support Obama. I am saying let McCain know we want no more of his pandering to libs to maintain his "maverick" legacy.
By the way the main stream media definition of "Maverick" is any Republican who turns on his party. They encourage it with a cool name.
Ever see a lib disagree with the Dems and be called a "Maverick?" Hell no. The press calls him a traitor and the Dems kick him out of the party - ala Joe Lieberman.
And you say this Art:
"The problem with closed minded conservatives is that they would rather be right and lose, that make the progress that they can make."
When did you become a relativist?
Wow...I didn't know there are different kinds of conservatives other than the closed minded type. When did that happen? I thought the conservative rules stated that you either adhere to ALL conservative dictates, or you're labeled a RINO, or a republicrat, or some other dirty name (at least by conservative standards). At least, that's what CWA is telling me.
justifiedright.com said...
When did you become a relativist?
As an Irish Catholic, my father being one of 11 children, I have lots of relatives. :-)
And boy, do they all have differing outlooks on life. From high ranking military officers to Hollywood producers I love and am loved by people with very different points of view. Our family reunions are really something.
Maybe that is why I am more tolerant of others' points of view than some of my conservative brethren.
I'm sorry Tommy. You'll always be my friend, I hope you make to Fox, and that Adam's people finally accept that you are not Honest Abe, but John McCain had more to Alito's appointment than you did.
Oh, and about that nuclear option and getting rid of filibusters, now that the R's are in the minority, I think I like filibusters more than ever.
If Senator Obama or his like, were to propose legislation permitting partial birth abortion, and think you and I would both agree that filibusters are a good tradition.
Hey Ambrosia,
Christian Conservatives vote about 65% the same way on candidates and issues. For that we often get accused of being single minded, closed minded, etc.
African Americans vote 9 to 1 Democrat in almost every election.
Which group has diversity of thought?
Art,
I don't play the back an forth game on the filibuster depending on who is in power.
Think about the filibuster - "I'm gonna put my hands on my ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA" into the record until time runs out so no one can vote."
That from "The World's Most Deliberative Body?" That wouldn't fly on a middle school playground.
Elections have to end with a winner and a loser. Winner gets to pass his policies. If there are bad policies, we elect new winners next time and change them.
Filibusters are not very democratic and certainly not deliberative.
Oh by the way Ambrosia - are you old enough to remember that one awful filibuster in 1964?
The DEMOCRATS were filibustering the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The REPUBLICANS broke the filibuster so it could be passed and signed by Johnson.
Perhaps if High School history books included that little tidbit, African Americans would be voting 9-1 Republican.
Just as soon as I can get on Fox to spread the word, they will.
JustifiedRight.com said...
"I'm gonna put my hands on my ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA" into the record until time runs out so no one can vote."
That will never get you on to Fox.
Actually Tommy, it was bipartisan support that stopped the filibuster. And it finally passed in the senate 73-27. The internet is a wonderful tool, isn't it.
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)
Seems like it was Dixiecrats and 100% of the southern Republicans that voted against in the house, and even Barry Goldwater, that stalwart of the Republican party voted against the civil rights act. Not to mention that it was proposed originally by President Kennedy, who was the epitome of a Democrat.
And here's a little ditty about your Christian Conservatives...
"In one notable example, the former pastor of the East Waynesville Baptist Church in Waynesville, North Carolina "told the congregation that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry (the Democratic presidential candidate in 2004) should either leave the church or repent".[19] The church later expelled nine members who had voted for Kerry and refused to repent, which led to criticism on the national level. The pastor resigned and the ousted church members were allowed to return.[20]"
Yup, sounds pretty open minded to me.
"I'm gonna put my hands on my ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA" into the record until time runs out so no one can vote."
"That will never get you on to Fox."
True, but it would make me the most intelligent sounding anchor on either "Communist News Network" or "MSLSD"
Ambrosia are you reading your own numbers there? A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than the percentage of Democrats who did. Split up the geography all you like to make yourself feel better, but we are comparing parties.
"Dems" are some bigoted people in your party!
You folks call Robert Byrd the "conscience of the Senate" when he was a recruiter for the KKK. Disgusting! We'd bounce him from our party in a second; the "bigotedcrats" praise him.
As for your example about the Christian pastor, you do realize that when you are dealing with a large group, anecdotal evidence about a single member is useless (or, maybe you don't know that).
Considering that Christians are about one third of all people on the planet, I’d say its pretty impossible to use a single person to represent the group.
That's like finding one illegal alien that wants to assimilate and concluding the rest do too. Stupid, right?
Plus, in the example you gave, the pastor didn't get away with it, so it appears the Christians did it right. Your own example disproved your point.
Good job.
The Dixiecrats were a different breed back then, even though they were called Democrats. And yes, I know all about Byrd and the KKK...but you also failed to mention that other stalwart of the Republican party, Strom Thurmond. First a dixiecrat and then found true love with the Republican party. The same Strom Thurmond that was praised for his racist views by Good 'ol Boy Trent Lott. I don't remember either one being "bounced" from your party. Rather, Thurmond was honored for his service. Should we start comparing racists in the party...I bet I could find you a few more if you really want me to.
As to the anectdote about the preacher, it was just used to show that you can't lump everyone together as you did with your comment about how African Americans vote as a block. Maybe they vote more for the dems since they know that dems care about people and not just profits. Maybe because during the Viet Nam war, more African American soldiers were drafted because of their socio-economic conditions and couldnt' readily get out of the draft like the white boys did thanks to daddy's that can pull strings, or get that deferment for college. There's too many reasons why they don't vote republican. Could be the percepetion, whether real or otherwise that the republican party is the party of big business and big oil and leaves the little people out. Maybe because as a block, they continuously vote down a minimum wage that's liveable. Yes, lots of reasons. Too many to list.
Ambrosia your last post says:
"As to the anectdote about the preacher, it was just used to show that you can't lump everyone together as you did with your comment about how African Americans vote as a block."
This discussion started because you said:
"Wow...I didn't know there are different kinds of conservatives other than the closed minded type."
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