Common Sense NJ is petitioning the legislature for a constitutional amendment to overturn New Jersey's insane and destructive affordable housing programs and to stop unfunded COAH mandates.
Sign the petition here.
Hat tip to my friends at Conservatives with Attitude.
Let Me Count the Ways
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Art, Middletown also has a letter and instructions for residents to send to their state legislators on their website.
Let's say I sign the Petition.
Will the petition sponsors tell me what their plans are to deal with affordable housing?
I think it's a fair request.
Why does anyone have to "deal" with affordable housing? This isn't communist Russia where the state has to provide housing for its oppressed workers. Let the marketplace adjust itself. When people can't afford to pay a certain price for a product, the price will come down. We're seeing it happen right now.
Another request/question would be how do they plan on getting this policy passed?
Hey Stopthesocialists,
Respectfully I think you are looking at one side of the ledger.
Aren't we affecting the state of affordable housing when we buy open spaces with tax dollars, driving up the price of real estate?
Aren't we affecting the state of affordable housing when we zone 5 and 10 acre minimum lots, driving up the price of real estate?
Aren't such measures also "social engineering" and meddling in the free market?
What say you?
Oh please - apples and oranges. When you have open space referendums passing by landslide margins, that is the will of the people. COAH is the will of the politburo. I would rather look at horses grazing in a meadow, than high density taxpayer-subsidized housing projects any day of the week. Those horses don't clog our schools, roads or court systems either. Maybe some nice condos on the Monmouth Battlefield, right? Wouldn't want that measly piece of history to preclude the builder's unions from a nice ripe payday, right? Nyet comrade....
Hey look everyone, "Stopthesocialists" is a socialist!
Communist, actually.
You seem to be quoting right out of the Communist Manifesto (although I doubt you've read it - maybe you are just by your nature on the economic left).
The guiding principle of Communism, its essence and its core, is government ownership and control of the land.
The government in America already owns over 40% of the land, and growing.
That not only drives the price of real estate through the roof, but it solidifies government power over you, me and everyone else, Mr. Lenin.
And you applaud it.
Try thinking like a capitalist.
If you take the right to aquire capital (land) away from the people, and put it in the hands of the government and the few, you create the underclass you complain of. You create your apparantly beloved Soviet system, too.
And why do you quickly abandon your Free Market principles that you proclaimed in your first post?
Why protect anyone with a government regulation on 10 acre minimum lot? That's not letting the Free Market "adjust itself" as you proclaimed in your first post.
That's manipulating it in favor of one group and against another.
If you truly loved the free market as I do, you'd leave the land out there to see you pays the best price for it.
You'd rather inject your personal love for cows and hatred of humans into the equation. Are you a furry or something?
Your view of government ownership and control of land is exactly as the Soviets did. Exactly as the old oligarchy in pre-US Hawaii did.
You aren't a free marketer - you are a free market phony - probably a Keynesian too, I suspect.
Try reading before you post.
justifiedright - I don't know if you are a principal in K-Hov or Toll Brothers, or a frustrated union leader pushing for more work for the union faithful, but your righteous adherence to your rigid ideology makes you incapable of seeing either reason or reality. Open space is the will of the people, not the government. THE PEOPLE, pay for open space through a dedicated tax that they themselves voted on. I don't know about you, but given the choice between dense, crime-ridden housing projects in Camden and bucolic open space in Monmouth County, I'll take the latter any day of the week.
Stopthesocialists,
Your complete submission to a majority vote is interesting.
Barack Obama's campaign promises are now the will of the people by majority vote, so I suppose we can count you among his supporters?
You also seem to have abandoned America's structure as a Constitutional Republic in favor of Athenian Democracy where the majority vote ends the inquiry.
Are there any other parts of traditional America you'll be dispensing with today?
Open Space legislation constantly passes because Republicans like you refuse to defend capitalism and the people's right to own land.
New Jersey's Constitution was even amended to compel $95 million annual spending on Open Spaces, needed or not. The eco-nuts prevailed upon your wallet, and you don't seen to care.
Lets not forget too that zoning laws are not put to a popular vote, so you haven't even addressed that.
So you prefer the bucolic open spaces and oppose the cramped quarters of urban centers. I perfer the opposite, but neither of our personal views of where we'd like to live is going to change the fact that we have New Jerseyans living in both.
Here's my point: The best way for Monmouth to have a good qualtiy of life in BOTH the suburbs and the Cities is policies that benefit both.
I'd also be on board with no policies and no spending, letting the free market chips fall where they may.
But that's not what is happening, so the policies need to be fair and balanced.
Thats why in my first post I asked the Petition drafters to tell me how they will equalize the disparity in treatment.
So getting back to the beginning of our conversation, you can't constantly pass laws and spend money to favor the suburban side, and then pretend you didn't just do that while slamming the Cities.
Why not peel off some of that Open Space money and build vertical housing in the Cities (we don't want them in the burbs, right?). Both sides win and get what they want.
OR if you prefer, fund neither side.
Using tax dollars for just the open space side (designed to push people to the Cities) is bad planning unless you send some relief to the Cities as well.
By the way - we Republicans ignore Urban Districts at our peril.
In Monmouth's last election, Asbury Park, Neptune and Long Branch cancelled the Republican margin of victory in Wall, Middletown, Howell and Colts Neck combined(with only half the population).
That's why we are going to be governed by Democrats this year.
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